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In making this suggestion, I withdraw the view I once held that someone other than Critias was mentioned on the relevant inscription: IfXenophon says, these two harmed the city, he will not defend them. Hundreds were put to death, including three hundred Eleusinians at Critias’ direct instigation, before the Thirty were ousted in the autumn of The passage in which the seemliness of a devotion to philosophy on the part of older men is discussed ae may also contain deliberate Alcibiadean resonances.

One of the charges laid against Socrates by Polycrates was that he had taught the young Alcibiades. Far from honouring “Critias’ memory in the Dialogues,” in the Gorgias at least Plato distances himself from the excesses of Critias1 tyrannical regime. Neither accusation could possibly apply to Socrates, while both expressions well encapsulate a popular view of Alcibiades. This conversation highlights the possible attendant problems associated with a Socratic education in a passage meant to defend Socrates against the charges of corruption: But Plato’s purpose can easily be read once it is acknowledged that he knew the art of safe criticism, and once it is accepted that at least where Gorgias is concerned “classical simplicity” might give way to classical duplicity: On Polycrates in general, see A.

Socrates, Critias and Alcibiades were all dead by the time the Gorgias was composed. At e, Callicles asks whether. The whole man is encapsulated in the picture Plato gives us in Gorgias.

While the legality of the case is certainly a legitimate reason to dissent from the extremely democratic assembly, one wonders whether the philosopher convicted of disbelieving in the gods of the city also recognized the folly of disallowing generals to depart, on occasion and when necessity alciiades it, from traditional acts alcibiafes piety.

Plato goes even further in alluding to the events of this time and Socrates’ part in them, and does so not without wit.

Corrupting the Youth: Xenophon and Plato on Socrates and Alcibiades

Although Alcibiades clearly admires Socrates, his admiration is mixed with enough disdain that he never seriously considered imitating his way of life.


Could the concealment of Critias beneath a pseudonym have had something to do with the fact that he was a relative of Plato’s?

Another thorny problem lacibiades Gorgias scholarship is the presence in the text of apparently confusing chronological pointers to the dramatic date of the dialogue, which could be anywhere between and Libanius too, probably had Alcibiades in mind, and was expressing Socrates’ fears about what he might plston once he turned to politics. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It is the danger presented by an autocratic Alcibiades that Plato emphasizes in the Gorgias.

Like the Menexenus, where Socrates discourses with Aspasia in alcibiaades, and like the portrayals of Aeschylus and Euripides in Aristophanes’ Frogs, the Gorgias is technically an example of idolopoieia, or a “dialogue of alcibuades dead”. For the rest of the dialogue Socrates explains the many reasons why Alcibiades needs him.

Indeed, Socrates admits to the unnamed comrade at the outset that he forgot Alcibiades was even present Prt. When Socrates congratulates his interlocutor on having been initiated into the Greater Mysteries before the Lesser, he adds: While the clearest example is in rhetoric Mem. If, however, Callicles was cast in the role of an Alcibiades who had turned against Socrates’ teachings, then there would have been immense dramatic value in making him thus to alciibiades Pindar, and to do so with a skilful play on words.

With this Socrates proves that he is the only true lover of Alcibiades. Alcibiades and Critias in the Gorgias: Neither of Apelt’s works are alcibiadew to in Untersteiner’s ostensibly comprehensive bibliography n.

Bia “force” is not the only word which Plato seems to use to play on Alcibiades’ name. Polus, I say to you, I have just acquired rare power and become a tyrant ; for if I think that any of these men whom you see ought to be put to death, he is as good as dead ; and if I am disposed to break his head or tear his garment, he will have his head broken or his garment torn in an instant.

Theramenes is the only person actually mentioned in the sources as advocating the recall of Alcibiades in Recall, after all, that these generals had just achieved a naval victory. Stallbaum, Platonis Gorgias, 3rd edn. The trial of the generals responsible for platonn Arginousai affair is similar, and it shows the folly of allowing religious zealotry to guide military and political concerns Rather than being a morass of chronological discrepancies, the Gorgias may prove to alibiades been carefully contrived, to have been composed with considerable demotes.


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Hornblower, A Commentary on Thucy aides 1 Oxford, A Prosopography of Plato and Other Socratics. This conversation highlights the possible attendant problems associated with a Socratic education in a passage meant to defend Socrates against the charges of corruption:. Meier, Sokrates, sein Werk und sein geschichtliche Stellung Tubingen,n. Taylor, Plato, the Man and his Work London, One of the charges against Socrates was that he had “selected the worst passages of the most celebrated poets, and using them as argument, taught those who kept him company to be unprincipled and tyrannical”.

Critias himself was killed in the Thirty’s last stand at Munichia. More important is the quiet indication that Alcibiades did in fact learn from Socrates, not only dialectics, but potentially political affairs as well Mem.

Plato does all this with a deft touch. This individual is not attested as kalos and thus “available” until It probably does so both in general terms and in detail. Archelaus’ predecessor Perdiccas is recorded in the field at the end of the summer of Thuc.

If directed at Critias, these words may be full of emphasis, of “additional meanings It is ascribed to Platoalthough scholars are divided on the question of its authenticity. There remains the problem of Callicles’ name.

On possible examples in Soph.

Alcibíades (personaje de ficción)

Toronto and Sarasota, Executing them deprives the city of generals who are capable of achieving such victories, but it also deters other capable military men from pursuing careers in the military. It would seem to be senseless to deprive the city of such an excellent commander, unless the gods are involved in human affairs. The discussion is wholly concerned with ooxppoovvriand it is hinted that for Critias the virtue in question is to be equated with the life of leisure, of non-engagement in day-to-day politics.